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So is feminism."},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"Looking back on Susie Orbach at AWF 2016, and forward to Andi Zeisler.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Ctable align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;\"\u003E\u003Ctbody\u003E\u003Ctr\u003E\u003Ctd style=\"text-align: center;\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-kThjcSfeJ58\/V00I7Mr3aoI\/AAAAAAAABRA\/2jDlXrtjXuwrGITUzVOPijpQqSJBsjjzACLcB\/s1600\/orbach_susie.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\"\u003E\u003Cimg border=\"0\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-kThjcSfeJ58\/V00I7Mr3aoI\/AAAAAAAABRA\/2jDlXrtjXuwrGITUzVOPijpQqSJBsjjzACLcB\/s320\/orbach_susie.jpg\" width=\"213\" \/\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/td\u003E\u003C\/tr\u003E\u003Ctr\u003E\u003Ctd class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\"\u003ELadies and Gentlemen, Susie Orbach!\u003C\/td\u003E\u003C\/tr\u003E\u003C\/tbody\u003E\u003C\/table\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ECarole Beu, usually the Festival’s most ebullient chair, went classic on us, almost reverent.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\"Ladies and Gentlemen, Susie Orbach!\"\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EGentlemen?\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI looked around to see if I could spot any men behind me, or across the vast reaches of the ASB Theatre which, as I had just noted down, was fully populated. I certainly couldn’t see any in front of me. Aha, two! And a group! And just further along from them, look, two more... and...and ... here you go:\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-3HMQ7pHcKOE\/V4MU1eZX52I\/AAAAAAAABTU\/-y8IllDqjaYLzEZ2e_ZquoChRuxQHCm-gCLcB\/s1600\/FIFI%2BMen.JPG\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"\u003E\u003Cimg border=\"0\" height=\"112\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-3HMQ7pHcKOE\/V4MU1eZX52I\/AAAAAAAABTU\/-y8IllDqjaYLzEZ2e_ZquoChRuxQHCm-gCLcB\/s320\/FIFI%2BMen.JPG\" width=\"320\" \/\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EWhat is it with men anyway? Women would go to a session with a male protagonist of the culture wars. Women would go to a Foucault session, were he still alive of course. I expect women would flock to a Foucault session. Women would go to hear any number of venerable male cultural critics or theorists, I thought, trying to come up with names of some live ones. It wasn't easy. I mentally saluted the life force and staying power of that amazing AWF 2016 trio Gloria Steinem, Susie Orbach and Vivian Gornick. \u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI clicked my attention back to the stage as Carole began chatting congenially about a certain Fifi. It didn't take me too embarrassingly long to identify Fifi as \u003Ci\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/discover.elgar.govt.nz\/iii\/encore\/record\/C__Rb3167556\"\u003EFat is a Feminist Issue\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/i\u003E, Orbach’s 1978 book in which she used a feminist perspective to attempt to move people on from a blame-the-victim approach to weight “issues”.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ECarole proposed, perhaps wishing and hoping, that the book “probably changed the lives of million of women”.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003ESusie Orbach’s calm response: “It didn’t change the world and the problem has actually amplified. It has now eaten into the lives of our children. There are women in rest homes being made to anguish over what they eat.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E“The book is actually most of all about compulsive eating”, said Carole, who was surprised to realise this when she reread it before the festival. \u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003C\/div\u003EOrbach has never reread it -- she thinks maybe because she's frightened of it. When she wrote it, her insight was that “Largeness is a way of negotiating the pressures our visual culture places on us, about always having to look at yourself in a critical way. If you’re large, you’re exempt from that”. Today it’s different. “It signifies different things. It could mean being from the other side of the tracks or it could mean you have to look at the real me below the surface.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EBut above all, largeness is not actually the issue. “You can be a compulsive eater in many sizes. You can be ‘normal’ and be a compulsive eater. I don’t think the real issue is obesity. It’s our relationship with eating. If we started with that instead of creating a stigma about being one size or another, that would address the problem better.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe issue, in other words, is the notions attached to body size, the social judgments, the psychological feelings. I had never actually read Fifi, but I’ve now had a good look through it (thanks Auckland Libraries and Overdrive for having that available for me on my laptop in 60 seconds) (progress sometimes really is progress). As its electronic pages slipped past, it felt as though I were voyaging through an asteroid belt where the asteroids were big black words: all those angers, depresseds, turmoils, emptinesses, suffereds, swampeds, mirrors, defenses, and so on. It was a scary insight; what would it be like to live there.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe copy I had checked out was a reissue from 2006, for which Orbach had written a new introduction, in which she pointed out, “Dieting is even more popular than it was when \u003Ci\u003EFat is a Feminist Issue\u003C\/i\u003E was first published 28 years ago. Eating has become a psychological, moral, medical, aesthetic and cultural statement.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003C\/div\u003EHow well said, how sadly and disappointingly true. And side by side with that goes another of the dark sides of living in our “moneyed world”, as Vivian Gornick described it: those companies making money by selling the perfect body (“though they don’t call it that”) to vulnerable people, mostly but not always women.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EFor one, the diet industry, raking in billions of dollars for products which don't work and people (consumers) conveniently never stop feeling they need, since only 3% of people who lose weight through dieting keep it off, for all kinds of reasons, from physiological changes to psychological pressures. The cosmetics industry, for another.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“To encourage body-hatred all over the world is a gift of later capitalism. We export it all over the world.” Orbach pointed out. I think it was in one of her columns for The Guardian where she discussed research which found a mathematical correlation between the arrival of commercial television and its army of advertising in various countries, and the increase in eating disorders among the young girls in those countries.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E“Now the body is a product we have to make, instead of where we are from. We are going to have the branded body. Not just clothes but our bodies will be branded. The brand will be Barbie-esque.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EMore and more people's daily lives feed them a stream of images of celebrities photoshopped and manipulated into an unattainable ideal. How healthy a diet is that? “People come in to me for a problem like a job problem and they also have body hatred but they haven’t come for that. They just assume they’ll have that all their life.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv\u003E“What do you hope for young women?” asked Carole.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“What I hope for all of us -- to have a life of meaning.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI was reminded of a passage I read recently in a memoir which might have been Angelica Garnett's, or possibly Jenny Diski's (I trust I'm not the only person who remembers the sentiment and the sensation of past readings but not necessarily the specimen ID). Angelica had received from her aunt, Virginia Woolf, or maybe Jenny had received from her foster mother Doris Lessing, a note expressing the hope that she would have a happy life. Angelica\/Jenny wonders, looking back, at the choice of \"happy\", rather than \"good\", which she would have thought a better wish. A life of meaning is a pretty good life, for my money.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI am not sure if it were the psychotherapist in Orbach instinctively making sure that we would leave the 60 minute version of the \"50 minute hour\" with a good feeling, once the discontent had been aired, but that was how it went. There were some likable closing lines from her -- \u0026nbsp;\"What's really satisfying is relationships and contributions and finding things that interest you\" was one I liked, and there was one about a good ear being the most powerful thing you can offer which was met with a round of applause, surprisingly to me. I found her line about body-hatred being a gift of later capitalism much more rowsing. \"Know your enemy\" is powerful stuff too.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EBecause I am not a psychotherapist, but a reader and a writer, rather than lend an ear, I'm going to plant something in your ear: a suggestion for further reading. Susie Orbach speaks about the body becoming a brand. Andi Zeisler, the cofounder of Bitch Media, has written a provocative book about feminism itself becoming a brand. It's called\u0026nbsp;\u003Ci\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/discover.elgar.govt.nz\/iii\/encore\/record\/C__Rb3166207\"\u003EWe were feminists once\u003C\/a\u003E \u003C\/i\u003Eand\u0026nbsp;I discovered it during the Festival while travelling in the Vivian Gornick, Gloria Steinem and Susie Orbach force field. If something seems not quite right to you about a company selling (and people buying) body-hugging little tees, produced by poor women in developing country sweatshops, with \"Feminist\" emblazoned on the front, this is your book. Who is appropriating feminism, and why, while doing nothing to progress the \"unfinished business of the women's movement\" -- as Susan Douglas calls it?\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EI actually went and bought myself my own copy when I had to return my borrowed copy to the library. A book which teaches me the so very useful term \"marketplace feminism\" needs to be able to be pulled out again and again.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe many aspects of marketplace feminism and the range of the book can be glimpsed by its entry in the book's index, which points you to the following: \u0026nbsp;\"as appeasement, beauty and\", \"choice and\", \"fashion and\", \"feminism and\", \"as feminist branding\", \"\u003Ci\u003EMad Max: Fury Road \u003C\/i\u003Eas\", \"media and\", \"movies and\", \"popular culture and\", \"as prioritizing individuals\", \"purchasing and\", \"Spice Girls and\", and, \"television and\".\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E-- \u003Ci\u003EKaren\u003C\/i\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E"},"link":[{"rel":"replies","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/albooksinthecity.blogspot.com\/feeds\/8177536732554268227\/comments\/default","title":"Post Comments"},{"rel":"replies","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/albooksinthecity.blogspot.com\/2016\/07\/fat-is-still-feminist-issue-so-is.html#comment-form","title":"0 Comments"},{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/2501884760724421053\/posts\/default\/8177536732554268227"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/2501884760724421053\/posts\/default\/8177536732554268227"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/albooksinthecity.blogspot.com\/2016\/07\/fat-is-still-feminist-issue-so-is.html","title":"Fat is still a feminist issue. So is feminism."}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Karen Craig"},"uri":{"$t":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/18310967522076681423"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"23","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-WaLn2rFYxqE\/UNvHlimMvBI\/AAAAAAAAABY\/ceYnAw1lZEk\/s220\/The%2BLibrarian.jpg"}}],"media$thumbnail":{"xmlns$media":"http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/","url":"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-kThjcSfeJ58\/V00I7Mr3aoI\/AAAAAAAABRA\/2jDlXrtjXuwrGITUzVOPijpQqSJBsjjzACLcB\/s72-c\/orbach_susie.jpg","height":"72","width":"72"},"thr$total":{"$t":"0"}},{"id":{"$t":"tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2501884760724421053.post-8735057047839860821"},"published":{"$t":"2016-05-31T16:59:00.001+12:00"},"updated":{"$t":"2016-07-02T23:53:16.346+12:00"},"category":[{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"#aklwritersfest"},{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"Auckland Writers Festival"},{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"AWF"},{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"AWF 2016"},{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"Jeanette Winterson"},{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"Karen"},{"scheme":"http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#","term":"Susie Orbach"}],"title":{"type":"text","$t":"Susie Orbach and Jeanette Winterson Pop Up at AWF 2016"},"content":{"type":"html","$t":"\u003Cdiv class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"\u003E\u003Ca href=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-kThjcSfeJ58\/V00I7Mr3aoI\/AAAAAAAABRA\/2jDlXrtjXuwrGITUzVOPijpQqSJBsjjzACLcB\/s1600\/orbach_susie.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"\u003E\u003Cimg border=\"0\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-kThjcSfeJ58\/V00I7Mr3aoI\/AAAAAAAABRA\/2jDlXrtjXuwrGITUzVOPijpQqSJBsjjzACLcB\/s320\/orbach_susie.jpg\" width=\"213\" \/\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Ca href=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-AvRM-gJ3GBg\/V00OyJfw71I\/AAAAAAAABRU\/6STjvdwBw3MK2PT51g3xsyanCR94f6G0ACLcB\/s1600\/Winterson_J.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;\"\u003E\u003Cimg border=\"0\" height=\"320\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-AvRM-gJ3GBg\/V00OyJfw71I\/AAAAAAAABRU\/6STjvdwBw3MK2PT51g3xsyanCR94f6G0ACLcB\/s320\/Winterson_J.jpg\" width=\"213\" \/\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E8:56 PM: The nice helper at the after-hours ticket outlet aka Festival Information Desk is holding the last two tickets to Jeanette Winterson and Susie Orbach’s Pop-up session, cash only, hoorah, I’ve got the cash, and we’re off with minutes to spare, slaloming around a few clumps of festival goers enjoying their Bill Oddie afterglow, just enough time to grab a wine, and, what’s this? The bar is closed! What?\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ENo no, someone says, the bar is IN the room, and points the way. Swerve, final stretch, we push open the doors, and there it is -- the bar, and a room bursting with women (okay I guess there were a couple of men). The widest range of hair colours ever yet seen at an AWF session, reds of all shades, white, blond, black, a variety of hats, all stylish, one shawl with a baby being marsupialled in it. Two front row seats for us and our wines, just behind some happy couples ensconced on double beanbags which have been laid out in the space between the dais and us, heightening my feeling that we’re taking part in a giant slumber party, about to call the radio station to request our favourite songs, all through the night. The buzz is palpable.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EIt’s time. Our Miss Clavel appears and it’s Festival director Anne O’Brien in person, and you can see right away she’s not going to tell us to go to sleep, she’s exhilirated too, presenting Jeanette Winterson, author and memoirist (\u003Ci\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/discover.elgar.govt.nz\/iii\/encore\/record\/C__Rb1060345\"\u003EOranges are not the only fruit\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/i\u003E), and Susie Orbach, psychotherapist (most famously to Lady Diana) and writer (\u003Ci\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/discover.elgar.govt.nz\/iii\/encore\/record\/C__Rb3167556\"\u003EFat is a feminist issue\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/i\u003E), together since 2010 and soon to celebrate their first anniversary as a married couple, ready to riff tonight on the theme of madness and creativity.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EOnce the wild applause fades, \u0026nbsp;the first thing -- and the second -- they do is ask for the lights to brought up so they can see us. They want to see us! How many guests from their places on the stage have mumbled about how they can't see anyone but who ever asked -- twice -- for the lights to be brought up?\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“How many people here think of themselves as creative? Raise your hands!” Winterson throws out. Hands everywhere you look.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“How many people here think of themselves as crazy?” Almost as many.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“Creativity is our birthright as human beings\" she pronounces. \"Every child is born creative and then we knock it out of them. Not everyone will be an artist but we’re all involved in the creative response.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“It’s interesting you say that because I’m not sure I agree,” responds Orbach calmly, in the first of several instances of endearing married couple-style banter, mentioning \"Winnicott’s theory\" that creativity is born of babies searching for a relationship with their mother.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“Yes”, Winterson concedes, it’s clearly about relationships, “not the the lone white male they want you to believe.” But who is to say which relationships? “The thing about artists is you can’t trust them, you have to trust the work. I’ve always thought a creative work is first and foremost a lie detector.” Her “autobiographical” novel \u003Ci\u003EOranges are not the only fruit\u003C\/i\u003E comes to mind, the one of which she once said, “I wrote a story I could live with. The other one was too painful”.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EShe wonders how we are doing, could we see them well enough, considering that we are going to be spending an hour together, and invites Orbach to join her in perching on the backrest of the ottoman instead of sitting on its seat. Marvellously, they suddenly go from being talking heads to being individuals in flesh and blood, Winterson looking a bit like a mischievous chimney sweep in her black stovepipe-ish jeans, shirt and leather shoes with stitching around the toes which managed to suggest a certain elfin upturning, and Orbach like a sexy Parisian concierge with her black silk chemisier and skirt, and head of untidy curls.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EThe role of anxiousness is touched on, with Orbach describing the psychoanalyst’s “50 minute hour” as a place of both anxiety and extraordinary creativity. Winterson agrees, replying eloquently, “What is home? Where do I belong? What is my culture? These massive questions: the creativity we make is a sort of an answer”. And, “It’s not just a personal answering, it’s a gift -- we want it to enter into other people.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“Why do we get so damn scared?” Orbach asks, turning to the question of bravery, of daring.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EWinterson talks of when she was writing \u003Ci\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/discover.elgar.govt.nz\/iii\/encore\/record\/C__Rb2617723\"\u003EWhy be happy when you could be normal\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/i\u003E, and how the question emerged for her of how much to reveal. In the end, she says, you need to find the \"place you have to access in order to do the work you have to do”.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E“In my generation,” says Orbach, who will turn seventy next year (Winterson is in her fifties), “daring to express yourself sent women into breakdowns”.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ESomething creative people must have, agrees Winterson, is enough confidence to risk bringing out another part of themselves. “Often what we call creativity is recklessness or ruthlessness,” she acknowledges.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ETowards the end, they reminisce about their youth. “The search I was in could have led to depression or psychosis but the women’s liberation movement came along,” says Susie Orbach. “That’s how I got out of being crazy” -- not counting the craziness of youth, of course!\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EOn Winterson's part, even with the hard childhood she’d had, locked repeatedly in the coal cellar for punishment by her missionary adoptive mother, not allowed to have books at home (she hid them under her mattress, where her mother found them and burned them), she has something almost romantic to say about the escape route she had created. “My best friends were dead. When I needed them I went and got them off the shelves of the public library.” And launches into an effusive description of a chance reading of TS Eliot on the library steps, aged 16, as Orbach smiles benignly. Generously. \"I think that's wonderful,\" she says.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EKiwi author Joanne Drayton, another brave front-rower sitting a few seats down from us, asks if they think creative opportunities are diminishing in today's world.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EOrbach allows as how she thinks there’s been a democratisation of creativity, even as we live under an economic structure that dictates where we are to find satisfaction. Although the first of those postulates could be seen as positive (and in fact Winterson is enthusiastic about the idea of democratisation and takes it as a sign that things are improving), she can't however ignore the alarming fact that 24 million people follow someone on youtube who shows you how to make yourself up so you look like Barbie.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EYes, says Winterson, “The best and the worst is now visible, it’s in your face all the time”. But, she concludes, “I’m optimistic, I think people will sort it out.”\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003ESometimes I feel that way and sometimes not. And I have to wonder if, brainy as she is, that isn’t true for Jeanette Winterson too. But right then, there was no doubt that she was speaking from her heart. That was what was so wonderful about the evening: the standing up (or perching on a backrest) for spontaneity, in a medium like the literary festival circuit where spontaneity is regrettably, if perhaps inevitably, in short supply.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EAs I’m writing, all I can think is how glad I am I got to see them like this, in their own orchestration, turning a crowd of curious admirers into friends for the hour, rather than watching a film of them walking around the Auckland Art Gallery peering at creative works and dropping bon mots about creativity as some guy from TV3 followed them around with a videocamera, as I chanced to see a short clip of. Actually, I couldn't have seen more if I'd wanted to, as it was on the Auckland Art Gallery's facebook page, and as I'm not a facebook user, the view was obscured by a banner inviting me to join facebook today.\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003EWhat a happy privilege to have had the Orbach-Winterson experience live\u0026nbsp;and \u003Ci\u003Eoff the network!\u003C\/i\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E--\u003Ci\u003EKaren\u003C\/i\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/www.syndetics.com\/index.php?isbn=9780224093453\/lc.jpg\u0026amp;client=elgar\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"\u003E\u003Cimg border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/www.syndetics.com\/index.php?isbn=9780224093453\/lc.jpg\u0026amp;client=elgar\" height=\"320\" width=\"198\" \/\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E\u003Cbr \/\u003E\u003Ca href=\"http:\/\/www.syndetics.com\/index.php?isbn=9781784753092\/lc.jpg\u0026amp;client=elgar\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;\"\u003E\u003Cimg border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/www.syndetics.com\/index.php?isbn=9781784753092\/lc.jpg\u0026amp;client=elgar\" height=\"320\" width=\"208\" \/\u003E\u003C\/a\u003E"},"link":[{"rel":"replies","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/albooksinthecity.blogspot.com\/feeds\/8735057047839860821\/comments\/default","title":"Post Comments"},{"rel":"replies","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/albooksinthecity.blogspot.com\/2016\/05\/susie-orbach-and-jeanette-winterson-pop.html#comment-form","title":"0 Comments"},{"rel":"edit","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/2501884760724421053\/posts\/default\/8735057047839860821"},{"rel":"self","type":"application/atom+xml","href":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/feeds\/2501884760724421053\/posts\/default\/8735057047839860821"},{"rel":"alternate","type":"text/html","href":"http:\/\/albooksinthecity.blogspot.com\/2016\/05\/susie-orbach-and-jeanette-winterson-pop.html","title":"Susie Orbach and Jeanette Winterson Pop Up at AWF 2016"}],"author":[{"name":{"$t":"Karen Craig"},"uri":{"$t":"http:\/\/www.blogger.com\/profile\/18310967522076681423"},"email":{"$t":"noreply@blogger.com"},"gd$image":{"rel":"http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail","width":"23","height":"32","src":"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-WaLn2rFYxqE\/UNvHlimMvBI\/AAAAAAAAABY\/ceYnAw1lZEk\/s220\/The%2BLibrarian.jpg"}}],"media$thumbnail":{"xmlns$media":"http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/","url":"https:\/\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/-kThjcSfeJ58\/V00I7Mr3aoI\/AAAAAAAABRA\/2jDlXrtjXuwrGITUzVOPijpQqSJBsjjzACLcB\/s72-c\/orbach_susie.jpg","height":"72","width":"72"},"thr$total":{"$t":"0"}}]}});